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. yes, volatility will be with us for a period of time. but we are very constructive when we look at next year on the whole. >> chris, where's the -- >> what are you seeing today? a fractional move now but it's been very much getting rid of winners and selling into any strength in this market ever since the election. >> well, i guess the question i have for chris, where is the volatility? i'm surprised. the vix has collapsed. it's a rare day when you see the vix down 9%. the stock market, dow is only up 18 points? >> this day has a big asterisk attached to it, don't you think? >> yes, but nonetheless when you saw the stuff over the week we understand a lot of people -- i was surprised how many people were arguing maybe it's not a bad thing to go over the fiscal cliff. i think it's a terrible idea. i'm surprised to see the vix down so much. we have options expiration coming up friday. people are taking off when the risk is rising. i find that a little odd. >> michael, your idea is it's not just about the fiscal cliff. apple is a big factor for this market as well, isn't it? >> no q
and longer-run fiscal issues. i think if we do that, the economy can boom. >> i'm hoping to use a phrase i've heard recently, that everybody can rise above the politics that we see here all the time. >> if the guys in washington don't get together and actually act like grown-ups, we're in big trouble. >>> hi, everybody. time to rise above and keep the country from enduring a self-inflicted crisis. we're here today. i'm maria bartiromo coming to you live from the schwab impact conference in chicago. welcome to the "closing bell." we enter the final stretch for the markets today. everybody here is focused on the fiscal cliff. coming up, i will talk to allen simpson and erskine bowles in an interview you cannot afford to miss. hope you join us 4:00 p.m. eastern. the co-founders of the fix the debt campaign, which many corporate leaders are backing. they'll tell us how they think washington can come together and reach a deal, bill. >> sure would be great to figure that out. maria, looking forward to that. i'm bill griffeth here at the new york stock exchange. markets continue to feel the sting
no time on this issue today. fitch saying the u.s. needs to fix that debt threat and moody's says it's going to wait before taking any action and maintain its negative outlook on the u.s. economy. one thing is for sure. the stock market is taking the fiscal cliff very seriously. the blue chip average is off the lows but still down sharply at one time today, the dow was down about 369 points. first time we've seen that big of a decline since november 21st of last year. off the lows rights now, the dow down 260 points at 12,985. the nasdaq is down 63 points, a more than 2% decline at 2947. the s&p at this hour is down 28 points right at 1400. let's break down what's behind today's dramatic decline in stocks in today's "closing bell" exchange. we welcome back michael pento, kwint tatro, jeff sika, and our own rick santelli. quint, you believe the market was going to go down either way. why? >> i do. i think this was long overdue. we have been propped up with some incertauncertainty. it's kept the market saying, are we going to get a change? it didn't matter who won. we've been facing pr
the happy moment last week after the press conference before thanksgiving where political leaders use what the challenge was ahead of them and they were going to address the fiscal cliff. now we're getting the pasturing. senator reid's comments today. the market drops immediately. this headline risk the market is going to suffer from every day until they get to that deal. >> steven, when you look at the retail sales figures over the week, black friday we had up 28% on monday for cyber monday. that would seem to suggest as michelle said that consumers are not too worried about much, including the fiscal cliff. yet, the market has this kind of a selloff when we get words out of washington today. what do you make of this? who's right on the fiscal cliff right now? >> well, i think that -- >> steven gilfoil. >> the consumer isn't paying that much attention to this. the regular american doesn't watch the financial news. he isn't reading the kinds of papers we read. and he's less concerned with this. >> should they be? >> they probably should be, but investors are more concerned with corporate n
to be telling us more about what it's thinking, that it's looking past the fiscal cliff issue and focusing on the very, very decent and accelerating fundamentals of the u.s. economy. >> maybe, and that's just today, right, ron? >> been since last week. >> we were talking about the market really being so sensitive to any rhetoric out of washington. >> i'm not saying it's not hostage to headlines. we'll get intraday volatility. from the monday before thank giving until now, we have effectively wiped out the losses we saw post-election. >> rick, how do you see it? market complacency, too much angst, are we overthinking this? how do you read the market right now? >> i think that the low volume movements of the equity markets aren't really telling you any information. there's no way even in aggregate a market could decide what's going on in harry reid or john boehner's brain in anything is going on in begin with. if you look at treasuries overlaid on top of equities, until mr. boehner's comments, the treasuries have taken the big picture on all of this. they're not going anywhere fast. fiscal c
on the show as soon as earnings come out. that will be at the top of the next hour. and nyse ceo with us giving us an update two weeks after sandy historically closed sandy for two days. >> still a miracle they got things open when they did. we're oall following the latest in the general petraeus scandal. unbelievable twists, even today. we have a roreport from washington. then, more on how this story is shedding light on how anything you write can be accessed. pretty scary stuff and something to think about. >> really. in the markets right now, fractional gains right now. the dow jones industrial average off the best levels of the afternoon, but still showing a gain of about 17 points. looks like investors wait and see until we get some solutions on the fiscal cliff. nasdaq is negative by a fraction. down about four points. off of the worst levels, by the way. s&p 500 is up about 3 3/4 points at 1383. >> in today's "closing bell" exchange, we have carol roth, bruce mccain, and our own rick santel santelli. rick, i'm going to start with you today because we see that stutter step opening
men from the navy and army. thanks. >> it was great having you here, brian. >>> that's it for us on "squawk on the street." at noontime, a very special edition of "closing bell" gets under way. have a great day. >>> it is a very special edition of "closing bell." welcome, everybody, to black friday. i'm bill griffeth. >> and i'm mandy drury, standing if for maria bartiromo. if peopler turn out in force to get big bargains. it's not just people in stores buying. investors seem to be buying. >> this is the first black friday rally on friday in four years. this is the last hour of trading right now. we're on a half-day schedule because of the how days, so if you have any trades to get in before the closing bell today, this is the hour to do that. it's been a really mode from the get-go. we're off the highs right now right now we're 102 at 12,939. we were knocking on 13,000's door earlier, pulling back from that right now. the nasdaq is up a person or 31 points, and the s&p at this hour is up 11 points, almost a percent at 1402. a shortened trading day. if anyone was shorting the mar
we ha -- wow. we have to leave it there. >> sheep never use their turn signal. that's their problem. otherwise i have no problem. thanks for watching, everybody. >> have a great weekend. a safe weekend. keep warm. "closing bell" is next. >>> hi, everybody. happy friday to you. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm maria bartiromo at new york stock exchange. job creation up, but so is the unemployment rate. stocks are down. we're seeing losses mount today as we approach the final stretch. >> i'm bill griffeth. investors not exactly taking comfort from the october jobs report. wall street remaining cautious, apparently, ahead of tuesday's presidential election. here's where we stand in the final hour with the dollar moving higher today. that's pushing a lot of asset classes lower. the dow now down 102 points just off the lows of the session at 13,130. the nasdaq down 24 points, almost a full percent there at 2995. the s&p 500 index is also lower, down 8-plus points at 1418. >> i guess i would have expected a different reaction to these numbers today. so what is behind this slide in stock
bell exchange," todd is with us, so is bill, and steve liesman and pisani with us as well. it's expected this market is going to stand and wait to see what the election results are going to be like for tomorrow, right? >> hey, it's human nature. i mean, people have been paralyzed with all these horror stories about fiscal cliffs and the end of the dollar and the end of america. so, when in doubt, do nothing. hide your cash, sit on the sidelines. but i think there's going to be a big plunger effect that could really unleash tidal waves of money as people start to see maybe there's some wonderful surprises, some electoral surprises that just aren't popular right now. >> what are you suggesting? >> i don't know. this nose does more than hold this mustache and glasses and i think it might be a electoral surprise for mr. romney. if that's the case -- >> you think romney wins -- >> i do. >> -- that will be a surprise and this market rallies on that win? >> i think the market rallies big. there will be a lot of money in motion. people will be moving on with decision-making. there's t
over the course of the next 30 days regarding the fiscal cliff, use these as potential buying opportunities. the way we see it right now is over the course of those next five years, we do think that if you're in some good, high-quality stocks, you should be able to provide high, single-digit returns. >> rick, today we've not seen the kind of volatility we've had lately. we still have public posturing politically from speaker boehner and the president. do you make anything of that? is the market becoming immune to the public outcry or what? >> you know, i don't know about the public outcry issue, but i can tell you this. it doesn't surprise me that on a friday the stock market would pay less attention to the tape bombs than other days because of the weekend and the issues of trading and any surprises that come up. i would doubt if you're going to even see much movement in the last hour. treasuries, on the other hand -- well, actually, they're very similar. but where you start to see something different is as our guest was talking about. move outside of treasuries. if you look a
's "closing bell" exchange, dan mcmahon from raymond james is going to join us. also, john from gfi group. our senior economics reporter, steve liesman, and our own rick santelli. john, it is clear that the fiscal cliff has wall street's full attention right now. do you expect a -- something to happen by december 31 or not? >> we expect something is going to happen. what that's going to be, we don't have the clarity we're expecting just yet. i think it's simple math. everybody knows what has to be done. obviously, we've had many, many studies over the course of the last few years that tell us what has to be done. so it is math. it's just about them getting in a room and hammering out the details. so we obviously need some revenue and some cuts across the board. i think it's how those are going play out in terms of what portion and how much is going to be what the market's really keying on. i think $4 trillion is basically the number that's kind of out there. i think if it comes in higher than that, it's going to be positive. if it doesn't, it's going to be a negative. >> so steve liesman, what
, it really wasn't. as a i talk, you can look at ten-year for every major developed economy. the u.s., the germans, the french, the u.k., the japanese. month to date, the patterns are almost all die dent call. with all these variables, elections, mideast, fiscal cliff, it seems as though there's only so much flight to safety bid you can push into the marketplace. some traders say that's why you didn't notice. in the old days, it would make a difference. yields are already most accommodative from a nervousness standpoint. i will tell you it was the number one conversation. and even though it really isn't about oil, that's the market everybody is trading to of course kind of play the headlines. >> michael, how about you? how does this impact the way you're allocating capital? >> well, as you know, our strategy is about 45% in cash while the prefunctory -- what we'll have left to boost us higher. i think the market does go higher. here's why. you have $85 billion each month from the federal reserve as far as balance sheet expansion. you have negative real interest rates that will be get
comes right through. >> also, tomorrow night, all of the nbc universal networks, including us, will air a benefit concert featuring bruce springsteen, john bon jovi, and others. you got to watch it. stay tuned. >>> hi, everybody. we enter the final stretch. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm maria bartiromo at the new york stock exchange. the bill,s market kicking off a new month with a solid rally. investors optimistic ahead of tomorrow's key october job report. >> tomorrow's employment numbers could have a major effect not only on wall street but on the presidential election as well. we'll get market experts to weigh in on that a little later. the other big story, of course, the continued fallout from hurricane sandy. if you have a car in new york, new jersey, other areas affected all along the coast, chances are you're having a hard time filling your gas tank. many stations are still closed. others are seeing huge lines. the question is how long is this going to last? we're going to get into that coming up. >> but first, let's look at where we stand as we approach this fina
creation? >> well, from a corporate standpoint, yes, maria, because most u.s. corporations are sitting on cash. as you saw profit margins hitting all-time highs. they're clearly not hiring a lot. at the end of the day, this whole economy and the stock market is about jobs. the market could be up even more if we start to see some job creation, but we can't be bidding stocks higher unless we start to see some in flows from our private client friends, who by the way, don't buy bond funds. we still think there's a lot of work to do on the investment side in terms of building further fundamental clarity with respect to the option of buying equities versus selling them. >> so you're not jumping on this bandwagon today, this rally we're seeing here? >> no, for one thing, we are just relieved that all of this election stuff is over. that's number one. number two, let's get back to the business of america and stocks going up in america as an asset looking very well on a longer term perspective. however, on a near-term basis, the market in our belief is well ahead of historical norms in terms of
we can address that. you have situations in the northeast. mother nature beat us down twice in the last ten days. there are some things still being sorted out there. of course, europe is creeping back into the spotlight. there are a few things overhanging the market. maybe people are saying it's time to take a little off the table. i think there's short, mid, and long-term investment opportunities. >> jim, i guess we don't have the clarity on tax rates. that's probably one of the big issues. if you own winners in the market, you know, what would stop you from selling them now knowing your taxes are definitely going higher in 2013 and we don't know by how much? >> i think that's exactly right. the thing that came out of tu tuesday is we're still a divided nation. that translates into it looks a little more difficult for them to come to a deal on the fiscal cliff. that's what's changed. so obviously what would get the market to go up would be that we have a deal. unless we get one, you're right. if taxes are going up, your window is between now and the end of the year that you
-bi-ya moment after the meeting. they said nothing across the pond will hurt us, let's buy here. >> no sense of urgency right now. does the market feed off that? is that what's going on here? >> i continue to look at the treasury market. you can look at a chart overlaid with the stock market. we were following themmer earlier, especially with the opening you describe, then it started to fall off. treasury market seems unimpress unimpressed. i'm in agreement with art, which is a good thing because art is mostly right, that is, nobody's driving the car from a political standpoint. that's the only time i can say a car without a driver is a safer car to be in. the market is reflecting that. if you want to look at something to give you a good clue, watch the euro relationship with our stock market and the global stock markets. that relationship is directly correlated and something to pay attention to. >> as the euro goes, so does our markets. stand by, we have break news on a story we've been watching on hostess. kayla has that. >> the latest is that the u.s. bankruptcy judge said that the partie
thing it reminds us is you shouldn't bet on anything. we should bet on volatility. we could bet on the doomers and gloomers, y2k and here we go again. the whole name of success is to have a repeatable process on how to deal with investing. whether it's in stocks, bonds, gold, doesn't matter. have a plan, a strategy, have consistency. it's going to be volatile in every single asset class through the end of january. >> lee, you say as an investor, ignore the fiscal cliff, right? >> i'm like bill. you have to have a process. i don't care what they're doing. do i care about some of my clients with deductions? there's a lot of talk about cap deductions. sure, i am but i'm not going to change my invest bonds or strategy. we use risk budgeting, risk management techniques. going into next year there's a sense at my firm that we have to squeeze more out of every tactical move we can because of potential tax consequences. i just think that makes you leaner and meaner. if you're a company that struggled over the past couple of years with this anemic growth, 2013 i'm optimistic and think th
since taking over that troubled company, and charles schwa b's ceo will be joining us as well. >> also, israel launches a massive military operation in response to hamas. >> gold also higher. one of those days where energy went higher and stocks went lower. we're setting lows right now. the dow down 126 points at the 12,629 level. the nasdaq and s&p are also moving lower. the nasdaq has moved into correction territory, down about 10% from its highs set earlier this year. the s&p is down sharply as well at this hour. so it was those fed minutes, the continued fears we may go over the fiscal cliff as the negotiations are being carried out so far in a very public arena right now. we are off the worst levels of the day, but will these concerns keep investors out of the market right now? let's talk about that, shall we? >> that's what we want to in today's "closing bell" exchange. neil, let me kick this off with you. good to see you. thanks for joining us. as somebody who's putting capital to work in this market, you see a market that is down 600 points on the dow industrials. just since th
bell" will have much more on this deal. >> down 54% year to date. thank you so much for joining us today. >> i'm off tomorrow. you got here. happy thanksgiving, everybody. >> "closing bell" is next. >>> hi, everybody. we enter the final stretch. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm marcich -- maria bartiromo the new york stock exchange. a shocking loss at hewlett-packard, damaging the entire market. the story broken here on cnbc by david faber earlier. >> this has been a really newsy day for a holiday shortened week. i'm bill griffeth. let's show you the markets, how they've been trading here. it will be pretty evident when ben baernanke made that comment that the fed doesn't have the tools to deal with the economy should we go off the fiscal cliff. down it went. we were down 94 points on the dow on the low of the session. now off that low, down 39 at 12,756. nasdaq's lower. apple is also lower today after that monster 7% plus rally yesterday. it's down about a percent right now. the nasdaq down 8-plus points. the s&p is down 3 at 1383. >> not a lot of news from the bernanke lunch ex
. that rise midday was after the congressional leaders came out of the white house and used the word constructive to describe the meeting. right now the dow is off the highs, up just nine points now at 12,552. we do expect more volatility and more volume in this last hour. the nasdaq is up about eight points now at 2844. the s&p 500 index with a gain of just two points at 1355. equities have been set to end the week on a sour note. then we did get that little bit of hope that maybe our leaders in washington can be reasonable with each other. the major averages have had a rough week. it's even worse since the election, down about 5%. >> john, i would like to kick this off with you. what is, first of all, the latest in washington? >> mandy, bill used the word hope a moment ago. everybody since the election has been hoping that washington, both parties, white house and congress, can find some way to work together. that was the tone the president struck when he gathered the bipartisan leadership of congress at the white house this morning. >> my hope is that this is going to be the begin
to be careful. these are unknowable things. it's a very fluid situation, as you identified. somebody gives us some happy talk. this market goes straight up. i think gold is giving perhaps a false signal there won't be qe-4. i believe there will be. it's just a matter of time. this is going to take time to implement. we're not going to put all these changes in place january 1. there's no grand bargain out there that's going to cover all these things at once. it's going to be to have phased in. it would be too much shock to the financial system. >> steve, if only the market could focus on just the economy, which actually seems to be chugging along okay. if you look at durables, consumer confidence, the ongoing recovery and housing, it's the overhang of the cliff that's spooking everybody. >> yeah, we've had somewhat better numbers. the new home sales today, not great. maybe sandy affected even though the government said it wasn't. the economy's okay. it may be more of a 2% plus economy in the fourth quarter than is being given credit on the street. it's not gang busters. the question has been f
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